Sunday, January 28, 2024

On board the IIT-IIM-CAT-MATH Superintuitive Chennai Express




‘It is nothing short of a miracle that modern methods of instruction have not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry,’ so said the great Albert Einstein! 

 

Yes, it is a miracle no doubt, but the greater miracle perhaps is the fact that there are a few mavericks  to this day who are busy creating a cocoon for nurturing the quality of enquiry in young minds, who are braving all odds to help intuitive learning find its place of pride amid the cesspool of rote learning and formulaic instruction of ludicrous promises and tall claims. 

 

One such maverick is Rajesh Balasubramanian, Founder-Director at 2IIM, a CAT coaching company which is clearly a cut above the rest, with no claim to that effect! 

 

I have personally scanned the length and breath of the online CAT coaching space as a pure pastime {with no skin in the game and no vested interest} to find all kinds of players – great, good, bad, and ugly – pervading this territory. Focusing only on the bright side, I never cease to marvel how dynamic and selfless folks like Ravi Prakash, Gaurav Kapoor, Belvi Srinivas, Anastasis Shankar, Bhanu Rana, Ronak Shah, Raman Tiwari, Ravi Teja, Gautam Puri, and Maruti Konduri et al go about sharing their profound knowledge and actionable insights with anyone and everyone keen to absorb them. 

 

And yet, it is amply clear that Rajesh Balasubramanian’s 2IIM more than provides what is sorely lacking in the CAT exam market of high competition and higher stakes. The market vacuum, I believe, is the outcome of a serious void created by misleading “crack CAT” claims and counterclaims, more than a consequence of a glaring paucity of credible and comprehensive prep literature. 

 

To me, one of the most striking aspects of 2IIM’s profound content is the smartly articulated preface and sport-centric analogies, precise and purposeful in their expanse and effect, amply reflective of the founder’s mastery over the subject matter (just to cite a case in point, the witty preface to the topic ‘Progressions’ reads  “All things must progress, and progression is always a steady incline. Unless you have a negative common difference”) 

 

Unlike a few others I approached (who initially agreed for an interview and later abruptly disconnected without a word), Rajesh graciously replied in the affirmative when I proposed an agenda-free, freewheeling interaction. Knowing that he takes leadership lessons from Dilbert and motivation to work from Bertrand Russell, it’s not difficult to imagine where’s he coming from and where’s he headed. And yet, I was curious to know more about his roots, escapades, trials, triumphs, and aspirations  

 

The actual interview took what seemed like ages thanks to the incessant demands of our respective schedules. Needless to say, I am forever indebted to Rajesh for the faith he placed in me at face value. 

 

Here goes:

 

Why do you say there have been no active choices for you for a significant span?

 

Yes, there was no choice in the truest sense of the word, till I turned closer to 30. I was good at Math, so I joined a bunch of coaching classes. I came to Chennai, which gave me a great peer group. Some of my batch mates went for JEE prep, and I followed suit. I got a good rank in JEE and I aspired to do mechanical engineering based on a flawed notion of mine, that mechanical engineering would be some kind of an extension of mechanics, which I liked. Obviously that was not the case. So when my parents suggested I take up electrical engineering as I had the requisite grades, I did the needful without second thought. Post IIT, MBA happened only because I did not wish to pursue a masters in a technology stream, and MBA was indeed a coveted passport to launch a noteworthy career in employment. Remember those were the days when the convention was to complete your education at one stretch before taking a plunge into the employment market. I had no idea whatsoever about what a MBA degree entailed, and what are the pay packages on offer for the toppers. I simply walked the path which seemed the most obvious given my circumstances.

 

The first time I did actively make a choice was to chuck my job and start out something of my own. Every decision prior to that point was either reactive or default based on broad premises and conventions.  

 

Could you recount the highlights of your early years? 

 

We were neither poor, nor rich at any point in time. Our economic status was in line with the wherewithal of a typical Indian middle class family.  I come from a vintage South Indian family. My father worked for Union Bank of India for 25 years, and it was a transferable job. Hence, I travelled quite a bit and studied in as many as eight different schools, largely across Tamil Nadu, including Thanjavur, Thindukkal, and Kumbakonam apart from Chennai. I was also in Bombay for a couple of years, class 4 and 5 to be precise. Since shifting scenarios were part and parcel of my early education years, there was no single anchor point that I can single out to revive fond memories of the time.  Having said that, I remember clearly that when I shifted to Chennai, I was a class 8 student. I was moved to prominent school from class 9 onwards and this relocation worked out rather well for me as I found a great bunch of classmates and teachers which sparked in me a certain transformation which I subliminally sensed, albeit in vague terms. It sowed the seed of intuitive learning as the environment here was in line with my intuitive approach to education and learning. 

 

Talking of role models, I stayed within the four walls of my own cocoon and knew so little about the mavericks and super achievers across different fields like business, academia, sport or entertainment that there was hardly any scope for being influenced by any of them. Later on in life, I developed great reverence and deep respect for Ratan Tata and Narayan Murthy from the business and entrepreneurial world, and Rahul Dravid and Harsha Bhogle for their talent and temperament in their respective spheres of sport. I have great admiration for the renowned historian and environmentalist Ramachandra Guha. Above all, I am a gigantic fan of Mahatma Gandhi, Pandit Nehru, and Dr. Ambedkar, three towering thought leaders and freedom fighters our country was blessed with.  

 

Academically, I was always a bright student of my class, yet never among the top 3 rankers at any point in time. Math was my favourite subject. I was fascinated by numbers initially and later mathematical concepts left me mesmerized, and ultimately I became kind of obsessed with rigorous proofs. All my teachers played a key role in help shape my thought and action in the right direction. Thanks to them, I could appreciate the role of rigour in study, and their invaluable advice from time to time sharpened my intuitive understanding of different concepts. Having attended a bunch of non-routine math lectures during class 9 and 10, a few teachers noticed a spark in me and urged me to do deep into mathematics. I am indebted to them for having verbalised their sentiment which had a lasting influence on my mind at an impressionable age.     

 

 

 


 

 

How did IIT and IIM happen?  

 

I was naturally attuned to JEE prep world during class 11 and 12 which paved the way for my entry into the grand institution called the Indian Institute of Technology, Madras. The intensely competitive environment of the place in many ways put me in my place. Till this point, academic excellence had be a breeze but now I was surrounded  by some of brightest minds of the country who were not only good at many things I was not so good at, they outshone me even in the areas I was supposedly very good at. This was a moment of truth for me which I relished in full measure. Thanks to the open culture of the place,  I let my loose and made the most of my hostel life freedom, more like an explorer than a student. Consequently, my academic performance was subpar and that is a very charitable way of putting it. I was a below median student in an excellent peer group. 

 

I have been excellent at grasping the intuitive stuff diving deep into the fundamentals. As for some of the rigorous academic stuff that I struggled with, I can say I have got better with age, although I never come up with a ‘toolkit’ to master it. Somewhere along the way, I realized I was not really attuned to tread the onward path of engineering, so there was no question of pursuing a masters. 

 

The obvious choice for me was to have a crack at MBA through the CAT exam route. I soon realised I was best suited for the CAT prep as the Math came naturally to me, I was completely at home with the data interpretation part (there was no logical reasoning then.) I was not bad at Verbal Ability and Reading Comprehension either. So, I knew I had what it takes to clear the CAT exam which I did, and found myself in the inspiring environs of IIM Bangalore, especially in the context of my IIT Madras stint, although my peer group was good but not great, no offense to  my IIMB batchmates, they were sharp but in different ways. Life was a breeze but not academically challenging or intense, I never sensed the need to up my ante from the second and third gear that I was used to.

 

      

Could you elaborate on your ‘chiefly loitering’ escapades at IIMB which I am sure was rich with experiential learning and progression 

 

As I told earlier, I had tons of fun at IIMB, relished freewheeling conversations, playing the role of a placement co-ordinator, and super active on the sports front.  I was one of the few students who got along well with pretty much everybody and I was part of many core circles given the academically stimulating  environment. The biggest plus for me was the ability to learn things without any pressure whatsoever, it was more of a fun-filled exploration. I made the most of the group learning dynamics of MBA learning. This experience was in total contrast to the studious environs of IIT M, a learning that happened on an academic straight line, which kept me largely tucked in my shell. Although I have tremendous respect for my mates at IIT M, I clearly had unlimited fun at IIM B! I was more like a irritating student who got away with murder, the bad cousin of an extended family who lived life on his own terms and yet found his way to the goal post. I was very comfortable with accounts and economics, which was unusual for an engineer. In fact, I dreamt of doing a PhD in Economics at some point in time. 

 

It’s become more of a cliché these days to say (at times rather perfunctorily) that a MBA degree help expand your horizon and broaden your thinking but in my case, it actually did that! I mostly did finance and operations courses at IIM but my internship happened at Hindustan Unilever, post which I went hammer and tongs with the job exploration process chasing all the top names of Banking and Financial Services. After having messed up around 20 interviews in a row, I finally landed up at ITC.  

 

How was the transition from the classroom to the workplace and the experience across stints? 

 

I always saw myself as a numbers guy focused on finance and ops, but my debut in the employment market happened in sales and marketing. That was mighty disappointing but the strong brand name of ITC was a great solace that kept me motivated. After undergoing a training programme at Kolkata, I was posted in the Hindi heartland of Eastern Uttar Pradesh. I was based out of Lucknow but mostly travelled east to places like Sahjanpur, Hardoi, Sitapur, Basti and the like. I am surprised myself how I recollect the names given the short stint of six months. I stayed at crappy hotels and did six and a half day weeks meeting random wholesalers and travelled to distant, godforsaken towns and villages trying to distribute cigarettes to far-flung shops. It was a wonderful first hand experience of last mile reach, given ITC’s phenomenal distribution network. In hindsight, I can’t even imagine myself doing what I did then, going from shop to shop on a bicycle, or riding pillion on bikes doing 10 hour shifts and surviving on dal chawal at suspect dhabas. 


Of course, I was never an aggressive sales person, and I can’t sell for nuts even today, but it was great to experience the drill (and the thrill) of the ‘real’ sales process, which is diametrically opposite to the poetic notion of sales that a MBA kid would imagine, that of a suit clad, airconditioned, cushy desk job of more number crunching than people interaction. ITC undoubtedly trains you really well. To begin with, you accompany a sales guy for days on end, which is followed by your training as a sales supervisor, then as a wholesale dealer, then as an area executive, and finally as an area sales manager. They also train you left, right and centre on every key aspect including operations, logistics, and branding. I thoroughly relished my time at ITC. Post my training, I was posted at Orissa. Quite a few times, HR had pinged me to ask how I was doing, and I replied unequivocally that I was having a blast! My branch manager was happy with me, and my team mates liked me (I am still in touch with them), there was no reason for complaints. Now, HR has this weird matrix of measuring the capability of employees, how happy they are, and how likely are they to leave, while deciding the postings. When they heard I was having a blast, they posted me to another weird place. I thought I had done my time with one already and was expecting a more juicier posting as a fair reward, ideally in a metro where I would learn more. HR confided in me saying that since a couple of guys seem on the verge of calling it quits, and to keep them happy, they need to post them to some metro. Consequently, the place I was allotted was Vizag.  I was really peeved with that submission and took a decision then and there.



 

 

So that was the end of the ITC saga? 

 

Yes! KPOs had just emerged on the scene and a few among them were keen to have me on the rolls. Till that point, I had no intention of making a switch but now it seems a foregone conclusion. So, I joined Irevna, a Financial Research & Analytics KPO based out of Chennai, which was into investment banking, back office and quasi front office (sitting remote). I was working with a team based out of London into European software and services. I later realized why I was chosen for the role; Irevna was not just offering services but rolls too, and they needed good CVs to make a lasting impression, and my profile kind of ticked all the boxes, IIT, IIM, finance and ops et al.   

 

Irevna was a super enlightening experience in terms of learning. I learnt how to do company valuations, model financial statements, and write research reports. In short, I learnt how to play the game. The motto at Irevna was very unambiguous: ‘Ours is not to reason why. Ours is but to do and die!’  which is of course Tennyson’s famous portrayal of a humble British soldier unconditionally marching to war. We had no position to arrive at a value or endorse a buy or sell, we were only supposed to write a general report (typically 90 percent of the report), and the analyst would add the view, whether positive or negative. So, the role was limited in terms of recognition but vast in terms of the sheer effort put in, and I must say I learnt the rudiments of writing as also things like cash flow and balance sheet analysis in that stint, which kept me in good stead later in life. I worked with a team from Credit Suisse and at some point of time, they were looking for a resource and knew me well as I had actually gone there to undergo quasi internship stint. Irevna got a sweet deal and I moved to Credit Suisse after a stint of a year and a half with Irevna.  

 

Describe your Chennai-London-Chennai voyage… 

 

Credit Suisse found in me the prefect, zero nuisance value resource to suit their exact needs: intellectually competent, fun to work with, moderately ambitious, not keen on customer facing, and not even tangentially interested in getting into the buy side and investing in stocks, in short a guy who was very happy doing the unglamourous work. I reported to two bosses who were almost at the same level and soon after, the top boss put in his papers and the replacement was looking for a resource who was non-threatening but proactively helpful, in other words another Rajesh. And he found one, who happened to be my classmate from school. So, it was fun time. Both of us were happy doing the modelling and the boss was happy traveling and meeting clients. As luck would have it, my boss quit in due course to start his private practice. This time, there was hiring freeze in the company, and since I was doing a fairly ok job and had seen what it takes to be a lead analyst, I was conferred the crown this time round. 

 

I moved up the value chain of more and more client facing and less and less time spent on number crunching and maintaining the model. By that time, I had excelled at financial modelling and that impressed the higher ups to trust me for the value-added jobs. At Irevna, I knew I was kind of punching below my weight but here I relished my job. The financial meltdown of 2008 left me rather disillusioned. We were doing absolutely fine advising clients on portfolios and all of a sudden, a random subprime debacle in another part of the globe suddenly pulls our recommended stocks down 30 percent. 

 

To be honest, I simply didn’t take to banking as I found the massaging of egos and numbers far from challenging, forget fulfilling. I was not lured by the prospects of staying put and making it happen to earn the big bucks. I had not seen big money anyways, so there was no reference point to mull over. My disillusionment was organic given that there was nothing about the job definition that I was not comfortable with. I was excellent at number crunching, I was good at writing reports and financial modelling. I was the numero uno analyst advising marquee clients and some of my investment calls had come right which gave me the halo of the hall of fame that smartly hid the calls I didn’t get right. So, in many ways, I was tailored to make a thriving career in investment banking. 

 

I eventually sensed the whole industry is a jargon-rich rigged game of sorts, played on alarmingly elusive terms not known to most, and we are but hapless players playing our parts though priding on our intellectual and mathematical competence for no good reason on the face of it. With the challenge of the role fading, I saw no point in pursuing the journey, although I was delighted to gain deep knowledge and experience of many crucial elements of the industry that come in handy to this day.  Without second thought, I quit my Credit Suisse job as a front end equity analyst and came back to India initially on the pretext of spending time with family.

 

My team felt I was throwing it all away too soon, and in hindsight I do feel I should have weighed all options before arriving at the drastic step, especially at a juncture when my family was growing. My son had been born just around that time, and my communication with my wife about my sudden exit was very poor. I do sense I let her down, and let me down, in the process. 

 

Having burnt the bridge to a thriving career, did you spend time in deep introspection? 

 

Not at all! Deep introspection and I both have maintained a safe distance all along. My wife cautions me on this front, though not very frequently now, maybe she has given up on me on that front. I do sense the need to sit back and reflect at times but I have never done it till date. 


Coming back to my story, once back home, I was contemplating the journey ahead. To start with, I didn’t want to be away from the family as the baby was pretty small. So the plan was find a job in my city and if it went well, I would think of something else to do on the side-lines. If I turn about a career in finance, I would head to Bombay or to London or New York depending on the opportunities. Who knows, a third option would open up by then.   

 

I soon joined a local boutique firm called Spark Capital in Chennai as an financial analyst. The place was homely with congenial folks as colleagues and I made many friends. Deep down however, my ambition urged me to look out by instinct, certainly not out of compulsion. Either I had to get serious about banking again or switch to some other sector. The choice of that sector was a no brainer for me – it had to be education. So, I joined the previous avatar of Wizako which was 4GMAT. Even here, I had no clue about the business plan or target numbers or focus areas or Go To Strategy which are part and parcel of start up anthems for entrepreneurs as they should be. My plan was as plain as it could get – I love teaching, so I will start teaching and figure out the rest along the way. Luckily, my wife was managing family finances very prudently and we had enough savings, thanks to our modest lifestyles. Otherwise, things would have been trickier, especially given the pathos of a IIT IIM guy, who had been the youngest Indian investment banking kid in Europe, and now teaching GMAT fundas to a few students in a startup devoid of a business plan. All I had was a wonderful colleague called Bhaskar, ten years my senior, a graduate from Anna University and IIM Calcutta. His clear instruction to me when I joined Wizako was: “Don’t do this!” But I being the pig head I was, I continued to do it – teaching for CAT, AIEEE, GMAT, GRE, AMSAT, English, Tamil – taking insane number of classes which built up my teaching hours from the ground up. I developed intuitive, PowerPoint based courses even though our classrooms were equipped with traditional whiteboards and markers, and there was hardly a number before us to call it target audience. 2012 and 2013 fetched us our largest numbers, but even if one were to double them, it would still be a stupid business to be in, such was the legendary ‘low’ at which we caught our ‘peak’. Bhaskar was at his candid best in advising me to find my own way if things stayed the same, and there was no hard feelings in his mind as a partner. All his told me was “Just try to make CAT work in 12 months and if doesn’t work, just drop it.”




 

Is it right to say that online was perfectly in line with your ambitious plans? 

 

Absolutely! Sometime in 2014, online happened in a big way, and I took to it like fish to water. In three months, I developed an end-to-end online course for CAT. I would begin my day at 4 am and end it at 11 pm and lo and behold, we saw sales happening in August 2014 and this time, we were way ahead of the curve – in terms of tech, pedigree, and frameworks. I was manically building videos at such a frenetic pace that numbers though growing were secondary to me, content building was all that mattered. We went berserk for 18 months straight. The second product iteration that followed was even better. Our tech provider, I learnt later, found in us his first buyers, as he had diligently built the piece but had no takers. He travelled to Chennai from Bangalore to pitch his product to us and we became his first paying client. Now of course, he is a name to reckon with who has outsmarted all the biggies of his space and doing exceedingly well.  I simply loved the product core and the UI and built tons of content, making the most of the platform. 2015 to 2017 was our content building phase and we soon found our niche, a sweet spot in marketing terms. 


All our mechanisms came alive: Our YouTube channel got going, SEOs were working fine, our referrals started kicking in. We came to be known as reliable provider of knowledge resources revered for our transparency and integrity. Our word was taken at face value, trusted without the need for verification or  further validation. Our buzz had not translated into great sales, but we surely became profitable and sustainable, which was a mega achievement given the history that preceded it. We had built a classroom business and an online business. The classroom business was doing all right, the online business was doing better all through 2018, 2019 and 2020 but then came the pandemic and the classroom venture was completely decimated in no time. Online kept us afloat during this trying time but of course the overall numbers were flat. 

 

2022 onwards, both businesses took off and we certainly have a bigger brand presence now and a steady model. Several of our competitors who built giant unsustainable messes, which far from value-accretive, were counter productive and even reputation-destroying. This damage had an adverse effect on the market and made cost of doing business exponentially high for the few of us who were committed to the larger cause. And yet, we stayed afloat, which was a big achievement in itself.       

 




I presume you would have found your mojo at Wizako – did that stint lay the foundation for Piverb and 2IIM? 

 

Wizako and 2IIM happened around the same time. Both shaped my ideas about how math should be taught in the living waters of a commercial enterprise. PiVerb on the other hand was the proverbial start point of the whole story, a life long labour of love, a pet project from the word go, of building content to teach math differently to school kids. There is this quote from celebrated American John Steinbeck, author of works like Grapes of Wrath and East of Eden: “We have only one story.” 

 

PiVerb has been that story for me,  that one idea that I as a founder have been eternally working on it in a “let me take this to the end of eternity” kind of way!  And there is a such powerful synergy between 2IIM and PiVerb, that I need both going at their natural velocities. When 2IIM was going nowhere, PiVerb kept me gainfully occupied with my larger cause, and when 2IIM picked up pace, I consciously kept PiVerb on the backburner, but it continues to be the long term story for me, a lifework which epitomizes my ethos, vision, mission and values.     

 

I always liked teaching since I was a ten year old, teaching math to school kids. I simply loved the idea of breaking down a concept into digestible chunks to help students grasp the essence without rote learning. It was an easy decision in terms of what I aspired to do. I jumped headlong into teaching purely powered by my passion without any idea whatsoever of any revenue model which is integral to any entrepreneurial venture. I also didn’t have a metaphorical stop loss point in mind beyond which I could give up on the venture lest it failed and get back to my financial analyst profile. 

 

In hindsight, If I had that stop loss point in mind, I would have quit long back without traveling this far, spending significant time in wilderness. But I continued teaching relentlessly across the board for different courses and creating tons of content in the process, constantly thinking about ways and means to make the learning interesting on a daily basis. 

 

Thankfully, I was naturally good at this, at breaking down intricate stuff in a refreshingly intuitive way, and it would sit pretty in the minds of my listeners exactly as I had envisaged it. I was uncompromising and unyielding about my teaching methods and principles, but I maintained a judicious balance between rigorous learning and intuitive understanding which are often opposed to each other. You can end up oversimplify ideas without adding the mandatory layers to it. I could simplify ideas and yet add enough layers to accommodate the rigour. 

 



 

What is the PiVerb backstory?

 

In 2010, I remember telling my wife I want to do something in the school math space. Thus began my journey to find, nay create, an addressable market, build a niche along with a sustainable revenue generating machine to keep it going. For PiVerb, I wanted to build content from scratch and make intuitive learning the corner piece of the entire math course, and make it interesting and challenging way beyond what the syllabus prescribed, all this to help shape student’ minds for critical thinking while being agnostic to ideas and notions of schools, exams marks, and grades. This approach was against the trend as in India, the education market is wedded to the grand promise of helping the target audience fulfil well defined, tangible objectives. It’s like you do these eleven things and success – whether in terms of marks, ranks or seats – is guaranteed. 

 

The pitch for PiVerb was outrageous by market standards: We’ll teach you some hazy ways to think about different things. We’ll make you sharper, intellectually rigorous; we’ll teach you how to have fun learning ideas and concepts, and push you hard to fetch 4 out of 10 on a week on week basis with an outcome which certainly won’t make you geared to crack the toughest exam overnight but will make you a better learner for sure. 

 

Given the unconventional pitch, I wanted to get the product ready in my head before I tested waters. A lot of my CAT material was built on what I had been thinking all along, ways to teach math to school kids. PiVerb content building took serious shape during 2016-2018 and I had to rebuild the base midway to remove the jargon and teach fundamentals and concepts in line with the sensibilities of a 12 year old.

 

I took PiVerb online soon after and the feedback was more than positive. I had my son try it out and therefore reviewed the material like a parent as well. Though the product stood out for it USP, there was no commercial proposition in sight. We did not classrooms large enough to accommodate a sizeable number of students, we did not have a product that could run on auto pilot mode. I continue to reshape and remodel PiVerb even to this day as my core strength is in designing pedigree which will help any good teacher know what to convey and how to convey to strike immediate resonance with students. So, PiVerb continues to be a work in progress. 

 



 

How would you describe the 2IIM value prop?

 

The entire CAT exam market is driven by the promise of the final exam success. Almost all players use the pitch ‘We’ll help you get the coveted MBA degree’ and back the claim based on results, track record and testimonials. We have done that in the last two years although for a long time, we were reluctant participants of this race. I came from the school of thought that we will provide you with a learning framework, build your intellectual muscle, expand your bandwidth, and become your mentors and then things are likely to fall in place. The 2-hour CAT exam is discernibly stressful that comes at the end of a 10-moth preparation cycle. There are three subsections of 40 minutes each. Make one error in some puzzle and you go from a potential 99.7 to 98.4 which means your chances of getting into the top ten institutions is adversely affected although the score is still above average and you stand to do well on four other variables that ultimately get you an interview call. India is a country of smart ambitious people in exceedingly large numbers. 

 

As the whole jamboree is built and shaped on such high stakes, I am reluctant to value our worth in terms of results and end outcomes. We always say that we’ll teach you from the first principles and build your fundamentals devoid of shortcuts and gimmicks and you are likely to do better than you imagine. 

 

We want our students to give the preparation their best shot with our proactive and purposeful help, and not seek illusionary tips and tricks that only end in disillusionment. They should be willing to make the most of our conducive environment to become more numerate, more articulate and more knowledgeable which will make them comfortable and confident about giving the CAT exam. The target audience is slowly but surely realising that the CAT exam itself is not template-driven, the paper setters are highly intelligent folks who ask off-template challenging and tricky questions, year after year.   

 

All along, we were the perfect antidote for the perplexment and distress that a template-driven coaching environment causes with a formulaic approach that never teaches how the formula came about, except that the bulk of the market still insisted on knowing the templates. Our stance was a hard sell at the start, it still is to a large extent, but now people are crystal clear in their minds what to expect when they approach us and hence more receptive to the idea. Our legacy, brand visibility and track record of achievers have also played a key role in creating the right buzz. 

 

The whole ‘high risk, elusive reward’ idea of sharing tons of free content upfront has finally paid off. It is helping many a discernible student appreciate the conviction of our venture and make an informed decision of getting aboard for relishing the unadulterated fun of leaning while also preparing for the exam. I believe there is a sizeable minority that wants to be in a place like 2IIM. That is probably enough for us to seek fulfilment ahead of success! We have a lot of freely available questions and actual CAT papers available on our website and YouTube channel. Given the originality of content, we are the mother ship repository for students and teachers. There is not a single CAT coaching company in India that wouldn’t have accessed our website to check out questions and solutions. Many of these teachers express their gratitude letting us know how they found some questions very helpful. In turn, this staple feature of our value prop has also helped us in branding and recruiting. Notwithstanding our modest numbers, we are in a thriving space that echoes back a resounding message: come, learn with us, have loads of fun, and let’s see where it goes!   

 



 

What’s next?

 

Our commercial stability had always been a vague idea in our minds. I can’t say we are on a fantastic wicket on the revenue front now, but yes, we are way better than what we were during the early years. 

 

I have struggled to divide my time and attention between 2IIM and PiVerb. In recent years, my involvement with 2IIM has been significant initially as a sales and marketing guy and later as a teacher, as we could not recruit adequate number of good teachers in good time. Consequently, Rajesh the content builder for PiVerb has had to take a back seat momentarily. In the next 5 to 6 years, the whole effort would be directed at how much we can set up 2IIM as an engine with a full fledged dedicated team such that I devote time to complete the content building for PiVerb and find a commercially sustainable point for it as well.                      

 

The next leg for us will be all about cracking the hybrid code. This is crucial especially in the context of fulfilling our teaching, content building and community building objectives that the whole team is passionate about. During the first decade of my entrepreneurial journey, I was lucky to get the support of some wonderful people who proactively expressed their desire to work with me, given the commonality of purpose and passion. These were MBAs who worked with me for a year and a half and then went on their own journeys. Now, in the last 12 months, I am trying to build a robust core team and expand the 2IIM visibility and footprint as a manager, not merely as a solo entrepreneur. This voyage should be interesting and what I tell my students applies to me as well: let’s see where it goes!

 

 

 

Saturday, January 20, 2024

"In India, there is a marked reluctance to adopt a process-based work culture that alone ensures sustainability of leadership actions"

Rendezvous with SaiKrishna Iyer, Mentor, Board Advisor, Design Thinker, and Innovator 




Let’s begin our Q & A with a formal introduction to put your early life into perspective. 

 

I belong to a semi-conservative Tam Bram Iyer family. My mother Valli, an ever so loving and wise lady, had her roots in a town called Attungal near Trivandrum. My father Vishwanath, a disciplined, broad-minded, but rather stubborn gentleman,  was born and brought up in Bombay, but his family hailed from Vishnupuram, a town near Kumbakonam. My paternal grandfather, who was employed with the Indian Railways, shifted to Bombay as early as in the mid 1930s.

 

As for me, I was born in Attungal at my mom’s native place. I attended first standard in a Bombay school. Soon after, my dad's work took him to Secunderabad in erstwhile Andhra Pradesh. So, I was enrolled into a school at Secunderabad. For reasons best known to my dad, I was moved from that school after my 4thstandard and sent to a boarding school in Trivandrum only for a year. So, I did 5th standard in a very conservative and disciplined CBSE institution called Arya Central School. I guess my dad wished to see me transform from a mischievous child (that I was) to a disciplined kid (of his imagination.) 

 

Well, this abrupt relocation impacted me on three counts: 

 

One, I became independent and self-reliant and could survive alone anywhere from a fairly young age. 

 

Two, it made me a rebel of sorts as I was mighty upset with my dad for cooking up a story for sending me to boarding school (He told me he was moving to Gujarat on work, and I would need to learn a new language if I were to accompany him, hence the Boarding school but at the boarding I had to learn a new language Sanskrit anyways)  

 

Three, studies became easier given the CBSE syllabus.   




 

However, I was brought back to Secunderabad after one year and admitted to a convent, St. Patrick’s high school, as a  standard 6 student. My life changed course dramatically thereafter. I was of course rebellious, but I excelled academically too, courtesy the discipline instilled in me at the Boarding school. Typically, I would be among the top three in my class and my favourite subjects were English, Social Sciences, Mathematics and Telugu. 


My class teacher Sister Lucy (my first love) taught us English. Her influence made me focused and disciplined. 
Our Mathematics teacher, Joseph sir, gave us a lot of maths homework (almost 20 sums a day). While I would do all of them, I allowed the David's house students the luxury of doing only 5 sums as David's Red house captain (this was of course the rebel decision maker in me.) To shield them from the prying eyes of Joseph sir, I would tell them to sit in the middle seats of the middle rows. As luck would have it, one of them was caught red handed with just 5 sums in his homework book, and he was smart enough to spill the beans which brought to light the main culprit - captain of the house. When Joseph sir began checking other notebooks, I instinctively took off my captain’s badge and had tears in my eyes, anticipating the worst. 

 

Strangely enough, Joseph sir did not get angry, and asked me softly, “Why did you do this?” My answer was straightforward, “We have other subjects to study, and doing 20 sums a day leave little time for them. But, as the captain of my house, I do all my sums.” I don’t know how Joseph sir interpreted my insubordination but from that day onwards, Joseph sir stopped giving homework and I instantly became a hero of my class.  

 

I also loved Physical Training classes, as also the Kabaddi and Chor-Police breaks. During Parent-Teacher meets, many mothers would complain that Krishna get unduly rough while playing and ends up tearing our sons’ shirts.  I would respond assertively that Kabaddi is a boy's game, and if some of my colleagues had issues with it, they should play chess instead. This audacity earned me the label of Rough & Tough at school, and I fondly remember Sister Lucy lovingly explaining to me the need to become more careful not to cause physical injury to my peers.

 
My home was a den for all my friends, as my generous and loving mom would make snacks for all, especially on all festive days. We would celebrate every birthday of our group without fail. My dad taught us how to pray, meditate, and chant Shlokas. Two of my close school friends later told me about the strong influence my parents made on their lives too. 

 

My Telugu teacher Raghupathi sir inspired me to become a voracious reader. He was an amazing story teller and left us spell bound by his description of mythological and historical heroes like Arjuna, Hanuman, Sri Ram, Akbar, and Shivaji. I also took to reading mystery and adventure books (Enid Blyton and then Thrillers by James Hadley Chase, Perry Mason and Western Outlaw Books). Having fed on a heathy diet of thrillers, I wanted to become a detective, an outlaw, and a lawyer at different points in time. Of course, there was this occasional desire to become an engine driver, given my fascination for trains. Later, when I joined the air wing of NCC, I was addicted to the free samosas they gave us, and this added one more profession to wish list: Pilot!  The dream however was shattered when spectacles came into my life. Pilots, I found out, had to have a 6 x 6 vision and specs were out of question.  

 


Doting parents


 

 How and when did you turn to computer programming?

 

After completing my 10th standard at St. Patrick’s high school, I was admitted to class 11 at St. Joseph’s high school and went to college for 2 months. I would cycle close to 10 kms to and fro. In August 1979, my dad landed a job in Bombay and we were back in the big city, on a day marked by heavy downpour. We were allotted company quarters (in  one building comprising four homes). The way to this carried a strong tobacco stench and the incessant rain had made the environment  dark and gloomy, which led me and my brother to carry a very poor impression of Bombay and it took us years to accept the city as our new home.


I joined 11th standard (junior college) in the science stream of Mithibhai college, middle of the year. My brother joined 8th standard at Xavier's school. Both of us had a hard time fitting into the new groups and sorely missed our Secunderabad school friends and neighbours and all the hustle bustle that we were used to. Here, we were a mere four families in the company quarters. So, all in all, 1979 was quite a depressing year for us brothers and mom. Dad of course was busy at work close to 14 hours a day. 


My initial career aspiration was to become an Engineer, like my dad who was revered as one of the best engineers of India’s Tobacco industry, who could assemble/ repair/ reengineer used Cigarette making machines imported from Germany in fully knocked down condition, down to the last nut and bolt. So I studied for IIT entrance but suffered a bout of jaundice during the exam time. With a long face, I enrolled for a Bachelors of Science degree. This was the year 1981. My dad briefed me about the emerging field of Computer Science and I took a correspondence course in Computer Programming from Thiagarajar College of Engineering, Madurai. The course material was very helpful, and I took to computers like fish to water. 


Wedding reception



In 1982, during summer holidays, I enrolled for a Diploma course in Computer Programming at my college, one of the first of its kind in Bombay. When our IITian professor B A Anant underlined the significance of and need for computers in all streams (including Engineering), I decided that i would pursue a Bachelor's in Maths and Computer Science in parallel. His method of teaching was unique and inspiring. He asked us, “Do you want your teacher to spoon feed you or guide you? do you want to clear exams alone or do you wish to understand the subject deeply” Only two students opted for the second route and I was one of them. Later, thanks to this motivation,  I became one of the most sought after teachers at Datapro.


I donated all my IIT entrance books and put in all my energies in learning programming languages. My dad got me an internship in the computer department of his company where I learnt how computers process massive data and run payroll, accounting, inventory and the like. I also wrote a Calendar generating program that boosted my confidence. I also topped the Computer Programming course at college.


At this juncture, my life took an interesting, challenging, and rewarding turn. The professor who taught us Cobol programming, was an EDP Manager at Nelco-Siements. He offered me a job as a Trainee Programmer on a salary of Rs.800/-, which was to become 1,200/- after a probation of six months. I did not know the worth of this, so just to compare i asked my dad, how much was his salary. And he said something like 2,400/- per month. So I did all the math in my mind: if at age 20,  I would be earning half of what my dad was earning, my salary going forward would be astronomical for sure. So I took a dumb call of quitting my education in favour of what I reckoned as a high-paying job.

 
All hell broke loose at home, and my dad forced me give the second year exams (“even if it means you submit a blank paper”). I did submit two blank papers - Physics and Maths – and failed to clear the second year BSc (thinking that this ploy would get my dad off my back). When I met the professor at Siemens, he asked for my graduation certificate. I was shell shocked and told him what I had just done to make way for the job. He told me company policy does not allow an undergraduate to become a Trainee Programmer. He urged me to complete my graduation and then come to him again. This dawned on me the important of graduation as a pre-requisite to employment. 


With wife and daugther 


 

While doing a summer internship at Mastek for 2 months, I came to know of a Bachelor's Degree course in Computer Science run by a US institution, the first of its kind in India. My dad decided to "invest" in this degree. The course fees were around Rs. 6900/- (which was more than his annual savings and yet he went ahead for my sake.) This course was the turning point in my Career in Computers as my professors were exceptional, and one of them had US experience. The other was Professor Sahni from the EDP department of Indian Navy. His method of teaching, of calling a student to the Black Board for explaining the homework to the whole class, helped me overcome stage-fright. This approach worked like magic, and going forward, I excelled as a communicator on this solid foundation, courtesy of Professor Sahani . 

 

How do you look back on your career voyage, and what in your reckoning has been the key trigger for moving up the value chain in good time. 

 

By the time I completed graduation in Mathematics, I was already a Graduate in Computer Science, with internship plus work experience of 8 months ( 6 at Golden Tobacco and 2 at Mastek as trainee programmer). After final exams, I was referred by the EDP Manager at Golden Tobacco to Softplus (Software Division of Zenith Computers). I Joined Softplus as a Trainee Programmer with the condition that my salary of 900/- will start only after 6 months of probation. During this span, the university announced final results, and 16 of the 18 of us were declared failed, due to a computer glitch. The college sent all our marks for revaluation. I learnt another hard lesson here. The Softplus MD had praised my work only a week prior to the results and assured me that my probation will end sooner than 6 months. When he learnt about the results, he told him confirmation would  happen only on submission of the Graduation pass certificate. I felt quite let down and the EDP Manager of Golden Tobacco asked me to contact Mastek. The Mastek Director asked me to join immediately at a salary of Rs.900/- (as he was happy with my work during internship). So, I quit the Zenith job and forewarned the MD of hiring his staff in  2 years. He laughed at my audacity, which he presumed was overconfidence. 


At Mastek, I was made part of a very large project of writing a complete module in Cobol (on a Data General Mini Computer) on generating Trial Balance, Profit & Loss Statement, and Balance Sheet. The project ownership was with the Atul group of Valsad in Gujarat. I gained invaluable experience here and would travel back to Bombay every weekend to meet my family and my girl friend who was studying in her final year BA. On project completion, a new Director at Mastek refused to have me back at Bombay, and so I moved on to join another smaller Software development company. 

 

This is where I met my Business Partner and friend Chandra. He had joined the same day and his earlier stint was at NIIT. Both of us were from good companies with good experience and working in a small company under an immature MD was quite a challenge. So we both quit  on the same day (without each other knowing) and as I was walking back to the station, I saw him at the Bus stop. That is when we came to know of our common decision and we both had a cup of tea with a hearty laugh. 

 

With Chandra



We decided to start out on our own even if it meant signing up a single client provided he could help us with basic subsistence.  I had two contacts who wanted to develop their Payroll and Accounting systems. One was Jyoti Leather Cloth Industries and the other was Kamani Oil Industries. And lo and behold, we signed both orders in the very first week and our start up took off in June 13, 1986. We soon realized that while we were exceptionally good at coding, my core competence was systems analysis and Chandra’s forte was Design. That blend made way for a great collaboration Our company was called Cybernetic Systems and we were among the first five software companies in Bombay competing with the likes of Mastek, TCS, Softplus, and Wipro. Chandra and I both used to teach at Datapro, run our IT consultancy and lived the good life. 

 

During this journey, I learnt invaluable life and leadership lessons under the guidance of Mansukhbhai Patel (MD of Jyoti Leather Cloth Industries. He told me he was an Oxford, UK and I though that explained his exceptional wit and wisdom. It was only later that I got to know he was only a matriculate who worked at the departmental store Selfridges on Oxford Street, London, having made it to the UK with only 6 pounds in his pocket, borrowed from his father. That’s when I realized intelligence is not the prerogative of an institution, an intelligent person is an institution in his own right!   


During my very first interaction with Mansukhbhai, he had predicted a short life for my business partnership with Chandra, and our business indeed lasted only one year. That was the point I sensed I was too young and inexperienced to run a business. By then, my girl friend vanished into thin air (her dad whisked her away to some city in Moradabad and that was the end of my love story) Now my focal point was work and teaching computer science at Datapro. 


In August 1987, I met my wife - Rohini - who joined as a Datapro student for the full time Diploma in Computer Applications. I believe it was love at first sight when we both bumped into each other in the corridor outside the class room. I was scared to initiate a dialogue given that I was dark and she was exceptionally beautiful. Having come out of a break-up, I did not wish an encore. And I was her teacher so it didn’t seem right anyways. 




 

During this time, Chandra said he liked her and sought my help to let her know, but I knew he was a flirt. So I asked him if he was really serious, and he said yes! Rohini was a Tam Bram and so was Chandra, and so I took Rohini out for tea and told her about Chandra’s feelings. She was shocked as she considered him like a brother. In the evening, when Chandra met her, he pulled a fast one and said, “Maybe Krishna is the one who is really interested in you” to which Rohini blurted out, “If that was the case, I would not mind it.” Chandra relayed this to me and I waited for the course to formally get over and proposed to her onr the last day of the course over a cup of tea. When she answered in the affirmative, I asked her if she had the courage to walk away with me, if her folks or mine did not concur with us, and she again replied ‘yes’, this time with resounding conviction. I did not expect that answer and so again told her that she needs to know me better, so also my background and past before making up her mind. So we mutually agreed to give it time and then take a call. In a week's time, we realized we were madly in love with each other. I introduced her to my mother, and there was an instant connect between them. My mom convinced my Dad and we both entered into wedlock in May 1988. This was also the time my partnership with Chandra ended as he went overseas to teach at a University in Mombasa, Kenya.  


I joined Datapro full time as a Centre Manager and Faculty in July 1988. I was the youngest, non-MBA Centre Manager in Datapro in India and turned around a loss making center into a profitable one in a mere 10 months. My daughter Rachana was born in April 1989, and goddess Laxmi in her form brought prosperity home. As a leader, I was direct and outspoken, courtesy  Mansukhbhai’s guidance, so also the two books he gifted me: The Seagull by Jonathan Livingstone Seagull and the Biography of Lee Iacocca.  The Seagull taught me how to aspire to fly higher, Lee Iacocca taught me the virtues of assertiveness, and Mansukhbhai of course taught me to live life with 100% integrity, and no compromise whatsoever on values and ethics. A small book ‘Work and its Secret’ by Swami Vivekananda taught me everything about diligent work. These values kept my career on the fast track but on the ‘ethical path’. It also wired me to think of each role as an assignment and not get emotionally attached to it. This approach helped me traverse multiple domains as a Transformation CIO, helping each organization scale up and soar high on the wings by Technologies, Process Re-engineering and People Empowerment.


With IT Team at S A Kent


 

You have traversed a diverse milieu across different domains, countries and cultures. Could you share a few fond memories? 

 

 Working in India continues to be my most challenging terrain given the glaring gaps in integrity, questionable work ethics and proprietor mentality of a few CEOs). Having said that, I had the good fortune to do some amazing work at three great Indian organizations. 


Mastek, where the owners and Directors (all IIM grads) would carry their PC home and write code every day. The monthly meeting at Mastek was very transparent and bouquets and brickbats were shared in open. There was minimal politics, through over a period of time, the persona of each leader drove the practice rather than the other way round. (this is a formidable challenge in India and Asia, maybe our Idol worship has something with employees idolising leaders as demi gods and showing undue  loyalty, at times even at the cost of compromising organizational interests. 

 
Jyoti Leather Cloth Industries, where I had a first-hand experience of Mansukhbhai's towering vision and mission and his sacrosanct value system which had no room for compromise of any kind. Even today, iIt is unthinkable in India to run a ethical business organization, as money is known to fetch a truckload of sops and shortcuts on a platter for fly-by-night operators
. Yet, Mansukhbhai built a profitable business brick by brick built on integrity, accountability and transperancy. He taught me to live with a daily KRA, of NOT doing anything that would make one lose sleep. He taught me how to take tough decisions by consulting one’s soul and consciousness. If the soul’s answer is no, never go against it, even if one’s job may be at stake!


CMC Ltd (ex-IBM company formed by IBMers when IBM was kicked out of India during the Janata Dal Rule) Dr. P P Gupta - the then CMD – built a strong culture thriving on trust. Just to cite an example, when he found that a few employees were fudging on expense bills,  he didn’t intervene as he was sure that the offenders will mend their ways or quit out of shame and the guilt of going rogue amid other honest people. He also taught us to lead from the front. For instance, he discontinued the Railway Reservation Project which had transformed India, and personally demonstrated to the Ministry the measurable value of the Bombay-Delhi Reservations Project by making it a free of cost pilot project. This grand project kickstarted the Technology Transformation in India and globally.


Among overseas stints, I fondly remember the five years spent at S A Kent (part of Kentz Corporation) which honed my technology and leadership skills. My Irish boss - Simon Walsh - would tell me to stand up and fight the ‘good fight’ and never quit midway or fail to stand up for what is right. And he backed me unconditionally  which gave me the autonomy to scale up S A Kent, build world-class systems, and convert IT from an overheads department to a profit-center, building systems for marquee clients like Bechtel & Saudi Aramco. 


Amazing first boss Simon Walsh



During the two-year assignment as the first Global Head - IT at Qatar Airways group, I was felicitated as the best Head of IT from the Asia & Middle East region and invited to attend the World IT Congress in year 2000 at Barcelona, aboard a World War II Ice-Breaker Ship - The Marco Polo) which was a grand confluence for the best IT Leaders and IT Service Providers from around the world. I applied  many leadership principles at Qatar Airways group which I learnt from ‘The Seven Miracles of Management’ by Alan Downs (this is my Leadership Bible that has stood the test of time and relevance to this day)


During the three-year stint as Chief Information Officer (IT Director) at Royal & Sun Alliance Insurance Middle East (now known as RSA Group), we overtook our nearest competitor AXA insurance to became the number one Pure Play Insurer in Middle East, winning all the prestigious awards in the region. As a cherished reward, other than the hard earned bonuses, I was nominated on honorary basis as Advisor on the Board of two of RSA's largest Intermediaries (together comprising 60% of the RSA business) to guide them on their Tech journey. I also got training as a Performance Coach, and was recognized as one of the best Coaches & Mentor in RSA Group. I was nominated on the Prestigious RSA Leadership Development Program - Batch of 2008 - as the nominee from the UAE Business. The Core Insurance Application re-engineered under my leadership is today worth millions of dollars and in practice at many RSA Businesses world-wide. 


To sum up the experiences, the work cultures in India, Middle East and Asia are quite similar. However, consistency and sustainability of growth is always a function of sound values, principles and ethics. 

 

With Godfather Mansukhbhai 



How would you to summarize the defining work cultures of Japan, Middle East, India, and UK, notwithstanding the fact that great, good, and not so good individuals abound across cultures and countries?

 

The work cultures in India, Middle East (Saudi, Qatar, UAE), Japan and UK (rather Europe) vary a fair bit. Let me start with the similarities, which are quite stark - viz., the proprietor/ promoter driven business mentality exists across the counties with varying degree of finesse (which is purely due to the local education and culture). 

 

A case in point is a European Promoter CEO, who would behave well most of the times, but under challenging circumstances could reveal true behaviours (sadistic, narcissistic, and even perverted at times). 

 

A Qatari CEO would flaunt his power and behave in quite an aggressive manner, throwing tantrums, sacking leaders to create fear. 


In sharp contrast, a CEO from UAE would behave much better as most UAE Leaders are well educated, thanks to the country’s investment  in overseas education and a secure, safe and yet competitive work spaces which embraces all cultures of the world and treats them fairly equally. Indian Leaders are held in high esteem in UAE. 


Saudi or KSA in the late 1990's was led by Expat CEOs and a few local CEOs were being groomed to lead from the front. Because of the doles granted to the locals, and the preferential laws, they did not have an incentive or motivation to educate themselves, nor work hard. But this has changed in the last decade and now they are rapidly competing with UAE under a forward looking leadership at the country level. 


Japan offers an amazing mix of autocratic leadership  (that believes in the chain of command) and highest level of principles and ethics (which is eroding a fair bit due to the growing US & Indian Promoters’ influence - especially in the JV companies the Japanese have setup in India.) 

 

India is the most unique of work cultures globally. We have the very best of Leaders from corporates like the Tata Group, as also the worst among worst in several family-driven organizations. Many MNCs in India struggle to enforce their global HR practices, thanks to the ‘Jugaad’ culture of Indian leaders, who are sycophants building a loyalty-based work culture (with little regard for competence or performance). This depressing scenario is changing for the better  with the adoption of best practices across sectors, especially enforced by expatriate  Indian Leaders who have experienced value-based work cultures in US, Europe, Japan, and Middle East, and are keen to adopt the same in India.

 
In India, there is a marked reluctance to adopt process-based work cultures that can ensure sustainability of leadership actions (even after the Leader passes the baton to the successor). Somehow, there is a marked reluctance among majority of Indian Leaders to institutionalize processes. No wonder, we see many Indian companies struggle at the top when a charismatic or visionary leader marks his or her exit. Of course, when a charismatic leader calls it quits, some impact is inevitable, but by building and embedding repeatable and scalable processes as part of leadership, one can ensure that the erosion owing to the charisma loss is not more than 20%. The rest 80% can continue as was envisioned and built, provided processes and related automations have been duly embedded. 


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Your role at VojVoj, Bailey Jude Ltd as also your Journey with Andrew Sillitoe seem discernibly incredible in terms of the length, depth and width of your involvement and contributions as a change and transformation architect…

 

My roles with Team Head Coach (as Shared COO) , at VojVoj (as Co-Founder & Shared COO) and a brief stint at Bailey Jude (as Talent Specialist for GCC region) have given me quality exposure to working with the Leadership in Europe & UK. It has reinforced my faith in the value of Transformational Leadership irrespective of colour, race or age. My association with Andrew Sillitoe, a world class Coach and an Ice-Hockey Olympic Gold Medallist was truly endearing. Likewise at VojVoj, working with an entrepreneur with an aggressive vision of building an Instagram-like APP, which would offer 100% Data Privacy (unheard of in the Tech space globally). At Bailey Jude, it was more of an experiment to support the owner who wanted to explore the GCC market in 2023, which ultimately had us step back and steer clear of diluting energies and strengths built in the UK market.  

 

I am positively intrigued by the Givers CXO Club – can you elaborate a bit on its vision, mission, and values?

 

My initial expeience with the CXO Club (the Givers Club) was very good. It was built on the concept of ‘Giving First Before Taking Anything Back’. The Club built a decent membership across Mumbai, Bangalore, and Chennai. The mission was to have world class leaders with experience and vision address club meetings as speakers. For instance, the CEO of Meru spoke of his struggles, successes, and challenges which made for an awesome  session. However, given a pressing personal commitment of the founder, the club has taken a back seat. Maybe someday it may revive itself. I hope it does! 

 

Can you elaborate on your 1-2-3 mantra for the benefit of the uninitiated?

 

The 1-2-3 i3 Mantra is three-pronged:  

 

Innovation: keeping things simple (as complexity is never innovative). 

 

Integrity: 100% transparency, anything less than 100% is situational integrity and a compromise. It is also the power to say NO - to shortcuts and temptations - which are in abundance in today's material world. 

 

Impact: ensuring positive Human impact in all decisions as a Leader. 

 

While i3 may sound simple, it can prove quite intimidating and a formidable challenge to breathe the i3 principles of the mantra.  

 

 

At Dharamshala 

A word on your passion pursuits of travel, music, films, cooking and volunteering.

 

Travel has been an integral part of my work since CMC days. It has exposed me to different cultures in India (from Kerala to Kashmir) and globally (from Dubai to Dublin, Thailand to Tokyo, Riyadh to Jordan, and Muscat to Hamburg). It also reinforced the fact that there are amazing human beings everywhere in the world with baselines built on integrity, compassion, empathy, transparency, and sincere work. 

 

Cooking is another fiery passion for me as I love to cook for my nieces and nephews, daughter, wife, friends, and team members. I love the innovation that cooking offers on a platter. I have been volunteering for ten years at The Art of Living Foundation which has taught me humility and the significance of service at the grassroots. Volunteering is a fantastic ego slayer and equalises us with people of diverse cultures, economies and intellects. While volunteering is good at a personal level, it is futile to associate with an organization run by so-called Gurus (They do offer solutions that benefit millions, but they also feed on the emotional weaknesses and vulnerabilities of millions and hook them. It is no doubt a good hook, compared to drugs and alcohol but definitely not a value add for discernible individuals, who often end up leaving family and friends only to be disillusioned in the ultimate analysis).

 

I enjoy only those films which don’t unduly tax my brains and provide me with wholesome entertainment. The serious stuff doesn’t interest me save for films that communicate key messages with empathy and finesse. Thanks to my wife's encouragement, I have taken up music and learning from a most amazing human being, my teacher and best friend – Nileshji, a fine human being, and a most passionate and skilful teacher.


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How do you envision the changing dynamics of a new world order that would call for special skills to thrive ahead of survive?

 

In n evolving world marked by VUCA (Volatility, Uncertainty, Complexity and Ambiguity), multipolarity is on the rise with growing extremes on the right and left, and a culture police leveraging deep tech craftily promoted by the US, making life hard to comprehend, compare, and compete. Wars and conflicts are on the rise (Syria, Palestine, Ukraine, Myanmar and now possibly Taiwan, parts of Europe, Iran and the like. 

 

Most critical skill sets going forward would comprise adaptability, personal and professional integrity, and of course proven competence in design thinking, data science, and AI. Above all, one needs to develop resilience (practising meditation, prayers, silence, detachment, and being in the present moment). Having compassionate parents and a loving family, trusted circle of friends and visionary gurus, all experts in their respective domains, will go a long way in fostering a purposeful life. 


In divine presence



 Any parting thoughts?

 

I feel each one of us should strive to find his or her unique path. For me, it is the path that "Sai” has paved for me, who guides me in all actions like my mother did. I firmly believe each human with a billion unique living cells is a wonderful and divine creation sent to discover this amazing place in the universe. It is said that even the gods crave to visit earth to experience the miracles down here! We should make the most of the godsent opportunity given to us!

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